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solyluna

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Bayliner dealers and sea ray dealers combining. and sea ray shutting down Knoxville factory.
Sea ray will be built in Floida only.
No longer bayliner cruisers in the USA above 24 foot.
Bayliner cruisers above 24 will be built in Brazil.
I reserve the right to be wrong as info came from 2 dealers who are friends
 
Saw this at the Annapolis boat show. Bagliner had all their boats on clearance. Was told that Brazil is where they will be manufactured and sold now.
They are pushing all their sales towards SeaRay.
 
GSENT said:
Saw this at the Annapolis boat show. Bagliner had all their boats on clearance. Was told that Brazil is where they will be manufactured and sold now.
They are pushing all their sales towards SeaRay.
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Not really good for young boaters with familys.
 
RDOBROSKI said:
No its not, but lets be honest. The new SeaBags in the 28-37 foot range are really bayliners with more gloss.
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After finally receiving my Formula and having the comparison in mind, I completely agree. Don't get me wrong. They look nice and probably show well at the dealership and everything, but Formula definitely has advantages. That said, there are some fine features on the SeaBag that I sorta wish Formula had. I like their mid-cabin berth conversion a bit better. The Formula feels a bit of a pain to convert.

Converting the mid-berth:
1) Remove short legs -- can be very difficult if you've been laying on it as they will "stick" easily.
2) Remove table covers and store along with short legs (making sure to get out the bag to put the legs into)
3) Dig out long legs from storage and insert
4) Set table tops on top of legs

Converting the mid-berth in a Sea Ray:
1) Push the berth in and latch into place
2) Dig out table legs from storage and insert
3) Set table tops on top of legs

Also, SeaRay's table is one piece, rather than two.

Anyway, this is getting off-topic. I'm just saying that I agree that Sea Rays are, in general, not the best product. But they have a few things that might be useful for Formula to consider.
 
No offense but I can put a racing wing, a heated electric seat and SAT radio in a ford fiesta but that doesnt make it any more impressive or any better then a Ferrari!
Sea Ray needs the extra engineering along with extra bells & whistle to sell there boats.
If you look back at the 41PC model it actually had a hydraulic table for the mid berth that was very nice and had it way before sea ray. Formula has the state of the art engineering, they just use it model specific. I would assume they put a few more newly engineered things on there flagship boats like the 45Yacht and the 40PC to entice you to buy bigger.
 
jschulte said:
No offense but I can put a racing wing, a heated electric seat and SAT radio in a ford fiesta but that doesnt make it any more impressive or any better then a Ferrari!
Sea Ray needs the extra engineering along with extra bells & whistle to sell there boats.
If you look back at the 41PC model it actually had a hydraulic table for the mid berth that was very nice and had it way before sea ray. Formula has the state of the art engineering, they just use it model specific. I would assume they put a few more newly engineered things on there flagship boats like the 45Yacht and the 40PC to entice you to buy bigger.
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well it must be working!! i'm feeling inclined to do exactly that, if i could just figure out how??
 
Just a quick observation from sunny southern California,I owned a Sea Ray for 10 years it was a 310 Sundancer and I must say it was a great boat. In that time other than normal maintenance the boat was trouble free and the fit and finish on the boat over that time was very good. I did not notice any inferior parts or workmanship and the support and availability of parts was good. Don't get me wrong I love my Formula but can't say anything bad about Sea Ray. In my marina there are about 3,500 slips, as near as I can tell there are 5 Formulas, there is no west coast dealer for Formulas, I am told that years ago there was a dealer in San Diego, that explains the lack of Formulas in this region. Sea Ray has a great following here and the Sea Ray dealer is located here in the marina, many of my dock mates own Sea Rays and they seem happy. Just my .02 cents.
 
overboard said:
Just a quick observation from sunny southern California,I owned a Sea Ray for 10 years it was a 310 Sundancer and I must say it was a great boat. In that time other than normal maintenance the boat was trouble free and the fit and finish on the boat over that time was very good. I did not notice any inferior parts or workmanship and the support and availability of parts was good. Don't get me wrong I love my Formula but can't say anything bad about Sea Ray. In my marina there are about 3,500 slips, as near as I can tell there are 5 Formulas, there is no west coast dealer for Formulas, I am told that years ago there was a dealer in San Diego, that explains the lack of Formulas in this region. Sea Ray has a great following here and the Sea Ray dealer is located here in the marina, many of my dock mates own Sea Rays and they seem happy. Just my .02 cents.
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From what I understand Sea Ray built a much better boat than they do today. A lot of folks buy either Mac's or PC's based on their familiarity with those products as opposed to the real value of what the operating systems can do. I would imagine that the same can be said for boats. Like I say, Sea Ray is a fine boat, but I don't see it as the same fit/finish as a Formula, and certainly not the same service. I'm overwhelmed by the service value already -- and I don't even have a dealer here either.
 
Hey Skip, I understand you are happy with your new boat and I'm happy for you, I am also thrilled with my Formula, but I don't think you can comment on Sea Rays service having never experienced it. and some of my dockmates have been boating for 40 years and have owned many other brands, so I would not discount their opinions so easily. Enjoy your boat it looks great.
 
You are right that I've never owned a Sea Ray and haven't had the full experience of owning one. But that doesn't mean I can't know what the service is like. I have been looking at getting a boat for almost three years and have been hanging around both the cobalt and Sea Ray dealerships on what I'm sure was a fairly annoyingly regular basis. I got to witness a lot of the dissatisfied customers. Don't get me wrong. I saw a lot of satisfied long-time owners of Sea Rays so, like all things, you have to take it with a grain of salt. I'm sure the number of their boats in the water is bound to statistically make a few unhappy and they are likely the loudest. But that's where I say that Formula's service seems better -- they don't have as many boats and the statistics favors them. Without going into detail, I'm also very good friends with a Sea Ray dealer who tells me more than I care to know about Sea Ray.

I was going to get a Sea Ray until the opportunity to own a Formula came up, so I don't look at it as a major issue. With all boats, are going to have problems and I accept that -- you have to.
 
I had a 270 searay for 13 years and 3100 hours i did not have any more problems
than our 37 pc. I have to say service is more a dealer issue than the factory.

And around here sea ray has a great resale. And by far sells the most!
 
Solyluna said:
And around here sea ray has a great resale.
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I think that's the important point. It doesn't really matter how much better you think your boat is. If others want to buy what you have, you're in a good position.
 
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