Looking for my next Formula


I recently sold my beloved 2003 37PC (best boat ever!) so now I am boatless and starting the shopping process. I want to upgrade to a newer (2005-06) 40PC so I thought I would ask you folks if there is anything special I should look for or avoid. I really want a diesel because when I retire in 5-6 years I want to move the boat to FL and transition from cruising around in the desert (Lake Pleasant, AZ) to more extensive cruising. My broker has recommended the Cummins over the Yanmar engines??.so far that's all I have. If I can't locate a diesel for the right price I will buy a gas one then just sell it when I retire and buy a diesel then?.

So friends?..if any of you have advice on the 40PC's let me know?..I hope to be back on the water soon!
 
I love the Yanmars in my 40PC. I may be wrong but I don't think the Cummins were a standard engine so it's probably the Yanmars, Volvo IPS or gas. I would definitely recommend diesel either way. I don't think it will be easy to sell a gas 40PC and the price difference is not that significant when they are used.
 
Nate said:
I may be wrong but I don't think the Cummins were a standard engine so it's probably the Yanmars, Volvo IPS or gas. I would definitely recommend diesel either way. I don't think it will be easy to sell a gas 40PC and the price difference is not that significant when they are used.

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Formula did build some 40 PC with cummins I know of one and i don't think that were many more. 2001-2006 were mainly Yanmars. After that IPS. I am a big fan of Yanmars so far they have been good to me for over 900 hrs.
 
An diesel mechanic had his charter fishing boat berthed next to one our boats. His advice / saying regarding diesel marine motors?. ?BLACK or WHITE??.. steer clear.
Don't know the specifics.
 
This has nothing to do with motors, but do what the rest of us from Pleasant did and move it to San Diego! You won't regret it.

I have read about reliability issues with the yanmars. I don't know how accurate that is for every owner, but the guys at SCM are a great resource with recommendations on the motors.
 
Thanks to all for your great input. I think the reason my broker wants me to look at Cummins is more related to the ease of getting service on them here in AZ?..I also agree that the diesels, in the 40, are the best move since there are many gas 40's out there that just aren't selling. Hmmm?.moving to San Diego might be a good option for me?.thanks again everyone! This is why I love owning a Formula? it's because Formula owners are the most friendly, helpful owners there are...
 
My marina owner is repowering his own boat, and is putting in Cummins diesels; he is dealer for both Cummins and Yanmar, and he is replacing Yanmar. He also runs the service department at the facility.
 
That's interesting ??I have talked to a lot of folks and it seems that a small majority like the Cummins engines better. Also..I am looking at a 37PC (2008) with the Volvo IPS drives. Has anyone had experience with these? Just curious if there is anything in particular I should look out for since I am more old school??not sold on the new tech quite yet but I could be...
 
Got a 2006 40pc with Volvo diesels and IPS. By all means...diesel. And don't be afraid of the IPS. Once you come over to the dark side, you won't go back.... ;)
 
There are a lot of mixed opinions about IPS drives. I find it funny that some of the opinions (mostly negative) come from individuals who do not own, and have never owned an IPS powered boat. They just parrot back what they have either heard or read. I also happen to know that the majority of IPS problems occur after hitting an underwater object and not following Volvo Penta's repair procedures (you MUST check propellershaft runout after striking an object as a bent shaft will cause the seals to leak and put you in a world of hurt if water gets into the drive).

I can supply you with the following facts about IPS:

They are more expensive to service than either inboards or sterndrive units. The pods hold 4 gallons of drive oil each. They require a yearly change and the cost of the pod oil is about $70 per gallon. In a 2008 model, make sure the steering seal rings have been changed from bronze to the newer stainless steel upgraded versions. At the same time, also make sure that the drive unit oil pumps have been upgraded (along with the oil coolers). That covers the drive units.

Diesel engines also are a little more expensive to service. They hold much more oil, have multiple oil and fuel filters not counting air filters and crankcase vent filters.

Now for the pluses -

IPS is probably the most efficient drive system. My boat weighs about 23,000 lbs. It cruises at about 30 miles per hour and burns 20 gallons per hour (both engines). Top speed is about 42 miles per hour and burns a little over 30 gallons per hour (again, both engines). It tracks dead straight at idle all the way up to full speed. Because of vectored thrust (the pods turn), you have full directional control at idle speed.

Handling both underway and around the dock are fantastic. Waiting at the fuel dock or for a bridge opening is totally without stress. Because of the underwater exhaust, noise is lower than other systems and fumes or smoke is totally nonexistent.
 
Thank you for the information you provided?..it has been very helpful. If I find the right new boat and it has the IPS drives I am not going to count it out, although I don't think that will be a large enough advantage to make me want to buy one particular boat over another since I am very comfortable maneuvering with stern or v drives and a bow thruster. The fuel economy angle does interest me though?..again?.thanks for the very helpful, detailed information.
 
There is a 2005 40PC with cummins diesel model QSB5.9-425 HO 330 hrs. for sale in Charleston, SC. I believe it was owned by forum member Plan Ahead. There is a story that boat was originally purchased by cummins who installed the engines to see how they would perform in the 40PC. Plan Ahead purchased the boat second hand from cummins.
 
If you are still looking a year from now my SeaDoc will probably be for sale...37 ft..V-drive D6 370 Volvo Penta engines.
 
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