Sagging headliner


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dake1

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Hello all ! New formula owner as another question?
Has any one figured out an easier way to glue headliner in cabin? I read some past post and it seems extremely difficult to remove cabinets etc...to get too.
I thought about removing light trims to get under liner with a long syringe(made out of 1/4" tubing) to slide across ceiling & inject A 3M adhesive. ?? I just think there will be spots missed that may droop.
Any other ideas?
Thx !
"Champagne Taste"
2002 37 PC 496 bravoIII EMI thunder exhaust

P.S any formula owners boating on southern shores of Lake Erie? Would like to here from ya!
 
Hi Dake,

To do it the right way seems like a major undertaking... I wonder if you could insert one of those red spray-tubes through a series of small holes and squirt 3M contact adhesive up there... Definitely would be a compromise but would beat that elephant skin look. Ha.

I wonder why there is such a mix of headliners that failed and headliners that haven't among boats of the same "vintage"?
 
I thought about trying to spray some adhesive on mine but decided it will probably just make things worse. Just a "feature" of this era boats I guess. :(
 
Hi Dake,

Can't help with the headliner but I own a 1998 34 pc and I dock at Midway Marina on Catawba, see ya at the Bay!
 
the headliner is foam backed and once the foam starts to breakdown there is no way to reglue you will make replacement a pain and glue removal very tough. You have to pin it up (ugly) or replace with new headliner fabric and vinyl roof glue for car vinyl tops.
 
I had my headliner come down on my 2008 34PC. It took the person doing it over 3 days and he had experience. All the cabinets had to be removed. He said he would never do it again. Lucky warranty paid for it.
 
Yeah, this seems to be a recurring Quality issue with Formula. Hopefully they will eventually get the message. My headliner is sagging as well, warranty would not cover so I am just dealing with it...I am sure one day it will totally fail. I think when I buy my next formula I will insist this is covered.
 
I have a Formula 41 ( 98) and the headliner starting falling apart 3-4 years ago, and I tried to ignore it a while. It became very apparent that it was a major issue. My boat is in the Morehead City area. The local quotes here were crazy. My cousin has a Formula 40 and has received very good service from Belhaven Waterway marina in Belhaven, NC. I took the boat there, they thoughtfully and carefully gave me a quote, and totally removed the total interior and put it back in even better shape than it was new. They also replaced stereo speakers, wiring, lights, etc. and the boat has never looked better. This was two years ago, and we are still very pleased. The owners there are Les and Brenda Porter and the phone number is 252-944-0066. They have also replaced a friends interior (also a Formula 41) plus done a lot of work on my cousin's Formula 40. If you want someone that will take as much interest in your boat as you do, this is the place...small, unassuming, hardworking, and get the job done.
 
yup, me too. 2004 34PC headliner sagging over forward berth and 2 sections infront of Galley. I wish Formula would stand behind their product and get a solution out to the dealer network. This is a very common problem and needs to be addressed by Corporate. IF I wanted a sagging headliner, I would have bought a chapparal or a SEA RAY. well, I take that back. regardless of headliner. I will NEVER buy a Sea Ray. :mad:
 
in my humble opinion, the difficulty level depends on the year model. i think the earlier models are a little easier to deal. that being said, the only thing i have experience with is the earlier model.
 
Tonkacruiser said:
yup, me too. 2004 34PC headliner sagging over forward berth and 2 sections infront of Galley. I wish Formula would stand behind their product and get a solution out to the dealer network. This is a very common problem and needs to be addressed by Corporate. IF I wanted a sagging headliner, I would have bought a chapparal or a SEA RAY. well, I take that back. regardless of headliner. I will NEVER buy a Sea Ray. :mad:
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Last Thursday I took a 44 Sundancer down the coast of So Cal 110+ miles in seas ranging from 8'-12'+. While the Sea Ray was slow (cruising at 19 knots), the boat handled it very well and it is put together very, very nicely. I had 7 hours on the boat to look at how everything was put together. I love my Formula, but I wouldn't kick a 40'+ Sundancer out of bed.
 
Magic34 said:
Tonkacruiser said:
yup, me too. 2004 34PC headliner sagging over forward berth and 2 sections infront of Galley. I wish Formula would stand behind their product and get a solution out to the dealer network. This is a very common problem and needs to be addressed by Corporate. IF I wanted a sagging headliner, I would have bought a chapparal or a SEA RAY. well, I take that back. regardless of headliner. I will NEVER buy a Sea Ray. :mad:
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Last Thursday I took a 44 Sundancer down the coast of So Cal 110+ miles in seas ranging from 8'-12'+. While the Sea Ray was slow (cruising at 19 knots), the boat handled it very well and it is put together very, very nicely. I had 7 hours on the boat to look at how everything was put together. I love my Formula, but I wouldn't kick a 40'+ Sundancer out of bed.
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Is everybody sitting down....

I agree with Magic - generally the larger SeaRay's - 42 and above are made in their YACHT factory, which has quite a bit different approach than their production boats. Not saying I am switching - but just saying.
 
I have a neighbor that purchased a brand new 510 Sundancer about 10 years ago. One could stand behind it and sight down either side. Doing so, it was easy to see countless vertical ripples in the hull. Not so on Formulas. Just sayin'.

In the end, he wasn't happy with the boat, and ultimately traded it in on an 84 Viking.

Neither had headliner issues though.
 
V1rowT8 said:
I have a neighbor that purchased a brand new 510 Sundancer about 10 years ago. One could stand behind it and sight down either side. Doing so, it was easy to see countless vertical ripples in the hull. Not so on Formulas. Just sayin'.

In the end, he wasn't happy with the boat, and ultimately traded it in on an 84 Viking.

Neither had headliner issues though.
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We had a 55' Sedan Bridge back in the late 90s, it was put together very well. Someone stated they'd never own a Sea Ray and the one I spent a day on last week was an 08 with low hours and everything fromt he fit and finish to the ride was more than acceptable to me. It was a very nice boat.

I'm not trying to turn this into a Formula vs Sea Ray thread, just that there are some other boats out there worthy of my approval of ownership. And I'm nobody special, just a boat nut.
 
Understand what you're saying Magic. They obviously are not bad boats. That said, the things that I believe Formula does better are important to me. YMMV. I have to agree with Toofast though, that the bigger Searays are nicer than the smaller ones. (BTW, I'm sure the Sea Ray forum reads pretty much the opposite of this board.)

I'm gonna shock you guys, and say that I'm thinking strongly about buying a Searay when I retire. :eek: No kidding. Whoops, I misspelled it. Make that a SeaRey. Here's a link.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DzJQ3cHdaU

Sorry for the thread creep Dake.
 
V1rowT8 said:
Understand what you're saying Magic. They obviously are not bad boats. That said, the things that I believe Formula does better are important to me. YMMV. I have to agree with Toofast though, that the bigger Searays are nicer than the smaller ones. (BTW, I'm sure the Sea Ray forum reads pretty much the opposite of this board.)

I'm gonna shock you guys, and say that I'm thinking strongly about buying a Searay when I retire. :eek: No kidding. Whoops, I misspelled it. Make that a SeaRey. Here's a link.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DzJQ3cHdaU

Sorry for the thread creep Dake.
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You can't go from real planes to ultralights....just not right !
 
toofast said:
V1rowT8 said:
I'm gonna shock you guys, and say that I'm thinking strongly about buying a Searay when I retire. :eek: No kidding. Whoops, I misspelled it. Make that a SeaRey. Here's a link.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DzJQ3cHdaU
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You can't go from real planes to ultralights....just not right !
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LOL. I can't afford a Boeing though!

Those Seareys burn just 4 gallons/hour, and the engines use auto gas. Since Avgas is $7.00+ per gallon, this type craft is a viable option to have some economical fun. It can even be equipped with a parachute! Besides......it's a boat.....it just happens to have wings. I'm wondering if they have a history of headliner issues though! ;D
 
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