Would you buy a 40PC with IPS ? Survey


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F3504x4ps

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If you had the opportunity to buy a new or used 2010/2012 40PC with latest version of IPS ( C ) would you buy one and if yes why and if no why and what would you get (37PC or 400SS)? I've read most of the issues with IPS pods, water, EVC display, excessive maintenance costs, 5000.00 per year, 11000.00 for one drive overhaul - clutch replacement, ect...

Thanks
Rich
 
it would be a definite no for us. we can't afford it ;D if we COULD afford it, i would say it would be a definite yes. those things (pod) are gonna be what people want in the future. relatively speaking, it seems that the pods are durable all though the repairs can get expensive if a problem occurs. i'd have ta buy a manual and learn how to do the overhaul myself too :)
 
I could afford the boat just not the cost of 5k to 11k in repairs each year above normal maintenance. I would also be wotking on it my self. Formula will only build with IPS as of currently. I would perfer Stern Drive or Inboard.
 
Friend of mine has the 400SS Chaparal with IPS. on his 4th season now. No issues to speak of. Also another freind has a 4wins and no issues 4 seasons also. But theres more to consider besides if i had the money.

They seem to draw more than an inboard with prop pockets. Where i do my boating the water gets skinny often so IPS is not a good option. Just a small bump and you need to be hauled and props redone.

My friend does not go where he used to go before with I/Os... changed his boating habits, and not in a good way.
 
As an 06 owner I am partial to inboards. Not a big fan of Volvo diesels. Do not like forward facing props that are unprotected. I wish Formula would switch to Cummins Zeus. After 6 years and 900 hours with the boat sitting in the water year round, maintenance has been minimal to propulsion system. Zincs, paint (which has been a waste)and diver cleaning. It does seam that IPS is having a lot of costly maintenance items. I sure would love to have the docking ability of it. For now I will stick to having 2 motors and a bow thruster. It always gets the job done.
 
F350,

I know you've owned before, but if you're concerned with the annual costs, what about a slightly smaller boat with a somewhat less complex system?

A new boat, the warranty period will protect your costs somewhat, but once that warranty ends, your on the ropes and as we all now, nothing is cheap in the marine environment.

Sure IPS is great, but do we hear alot of talk online about the negatives of these systems or the owners who are paying tons of money due to problems?? As I mentioned before, it's nothing against the owners of an IPS boat, but many of them aren't involved with a "forum" to express their pros and cons or maybe don't care about the costs associated with a boat, etc. boating is supposed to be fun and you don't want to have the worry cloud over you with the perceived maint costs.

Every propulsion system has its pros and cons. Gas, diesel, Merc, volvo, ilmor, and yanmar. You can go to many other forums and each has their issues.

Youve talked before on other posts about diesel vs gas. The 400ss with the Merc 8.2 HO and axius is a very very nice package. The cost savings compared to the D6 is huge.

Ive said this before, but I still feel the best overall package that Formula produces is the 37pc with the D6-330 or 370 and joystick. I love the d6-330 because it doesn't have the compressor, but still produces tons more torque over a 8.2 engine with a cruise rpm of close to 900 RPMs less than a gas 8.2.
 
Rich,
Tough question, when I shop and buy I hope that I consider this first and foremost: How am I gonna really really use the boat?
How often, where, how may on board, how many nights, what is the waterway I will be in most, what weather conditions, so many things to consider. We all have what we think we will do and then we have what we end up doing...
IF I am staying aboard for up to a week or more at a time, 45 yacht or 40 PC. IPS if new for sure (warranty).
IF I am day boating in reasonable weather most of the time 400SS or 370SS.
Good Luck Man!
Greg
 
Well, 400SS is my dream boat...so for me...get the 400SS.

HOWEVER, my wife might differ ;)

As for the drives...I think if I had the money, it simiply would not matter. At the price of the boat, an extra $5k a year, just would not matter.
 
where exactly does this 5k figure come from? is that what it costs to do yearly maintenance on pods? what is involved? that seems WAY out of line to me.
 
Formula Tenn said:
where exactly does this 5k figure come from? is that what it costs to do yearly maintenance on pods? what is involved? that seems WAY out of line to me.
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Just making it up...meaning PRETEND it does cost THAT MUCH to maintain...if you can afford a new 45, that number is NOTHING. So go for it!
 
toofast said:
Formula Tenn said:
where exactly does this 5k figure come from? is that what it costs to do yearly maintenance on pods? what is involved? that seems WAY out of line to me.
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Just making it up...meaning PRETEND it does cost THAT MUCH to maintain...if you can afford a new 45, that number is NOTHING. So go for it!
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Over in the Volvo IPS forum, Their is a poster that stated he pays 5K annually for maintain to the IPS and another poster stated that it cost him 11K for a complete rebuild from water, clutch and bearings, not sure about gears. I am trying really hard to waver this want to get the best all around set up for boating in Lake Mich and then move to Florida SE. Not wanting to buy multiple times to move up in size or age. And dint want anyone eases problems or issues. Going to In-water show in Chicago this Sunday for test drive of 400SS and assume they will have a 40PC. I'm more of the openion that keep it simple. I like what I read about the Volvo D6-370 stern drive not IPS, but maintenance cost for filters and parts is costly vers Merc, but Merc has corrosion issues, will keep it on a lift when not on the boat and in/out in Florida. If I want a 40PC with out IPS I believe I have to go to 2006 (or am I incorrect?) I would want the latest possible year. I really would like Diesel for driving distance between fill ups while going from Hammond, IN to say Door county Wis.
 
gr8trn said:
Rich,
Tough question, when I shop and buy I hope that I consider this first and foremost: How am I gonna really really use the boat?
How often, where, how may on board, how many nights, what is the waterway I will be in most, what weather conditions, so many things to consider. We all have what we think we will do and then we have what we end up doing...
IF I am staying aboard for up to a week or more at a time, 45 yacht or 40 PC. IPS if new for sure (warranty).
IF I am day boating in reasonable weather most of the time 400SS or 370SS.
Good Luck Man!
Greg
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I don't beach my boat, If I river cruise Chicago river , ILL river and do the Great loop to Florida I'm sure their are areas that get shallow in secondary channels, ILL river is guarantied 20ft for barge traffic.

We want to travel along Lake Mich shore line and stop at marinas for several nights, I have two sons that still live at home 17 will be senior & 19 in college, both will want to bring a friend each if we travel, For day cruise well have 22yr old daughter and boy friend and the boys will have more friends so the 400 cockpit would be better.

Other issue is the 400SS will handle more wave pounding of Lake Mich and Ocean than the 40PC. Lake Mich storms come up quick with very little warning. An issue to consider also.
May look at 37PC with out IPS still too many issues to buy for me.
 
All boats really have corrosion issues...it seems that MERC has the most trouble in fresh/brackish water. In SALT Merc is as good as others.

You can easily keep a MERC outdrive perfect...you just have to pay attention and do some preventative maintenance. So if the ONLY difference in the boat you love/hate is the Merc outdrive, don't let it scare you away.
 
toofast said:
All boats really have corrosion issues...it seems that MERC has the most trouble in fresh/brackish water. In SALT Merc is as good as others.

You can easily keep a MERC outdrive perfect...you just have to pay attention and do some preventative maintenance. So if the ONLY difference in the boat you love/hate is the Merc outdrive, don't let it scare you away.
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I've only had merc never have had a volvo product. Prior boats were trailered so kept super clean and never an issue on the water. I plan on keeping what ever I get on a hydro hoist don't want to bottom paint
 
gwazoo27 said:
As an 06 owner I am partial to inboards. Not a big fan of Volvo diesels. Do not like forward facing props that are unprotected. I wish Formula would switch to Cummins Zeus. After 6 years and 900 hours with the boat sitting in the water year round, maintenance has been minimal to propulsion system. Zincs, paint (which has been a waste)and diver cleaning. It does seam that IPS is having a lot of costly maintenance items. I sure would love to have the docking ability of it. For now I will stick to having 2 motors and a bow thruster. It always gets the job done.
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Why are you not a big fan of Volvo diesels?

I agree the Joy Stick sounds great till something breaks or electrical component goes bad.

Thaks all for your input this is what I am really looking for everyones experance boating and their likes and dislikes.
 
toofast said:
Formula Tenn said:
where exactly does this 5k figure come from? is that what it costs to do yearly maintenance on pods? what is involved? that seems WAY out of line to me.
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Just making it up...meaning PRETEND it does cost THAT MUCH to maintain...if you can afford a new 45, that number is NOTHING. So go for it!
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Here is where I had gotten my information, I am looking for as much real word answers as I can.

Not sure if you can access this link with out user ID and password.

http://www.volvopentaips.com/forum/topics/water-in-ips-units

Reply by Bud Deitz on April 25, 2012 at 6:42pm
I just had my IPS unit rebuilt last week ( $11,100.) because of water in the unit. And I have a friend that had the same problem. There is a problem with the units and there should be a recall. I have spent over $ 5,000 per year for the last 5 years, on repairs.
 
now that i've read this post all the way, it is obvious to me that you need a 40pc with inboard diesels. problem solved. :) and no thanks are needed :D i might know where one is at on the TN River with silver hull sides, she's a beauty, let me know if you wanna buy it ;)
 
Formula Tenn said:
now that i've read this post all the way, it is obvious to me that you need a 40pc with inboard diesels. problem solved. :) and no thanks are needed :D i might know where one is at on the TN River with silver hull sides, she's a beauty, let me know if you wanna buy it ;)
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See no thats all I needed, Formula Tenn to hook me up and tell me what I need. LOL ;D.

So what years offered inboards? 2008? or was 2007 and up were IPS?
 
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